Re: OT GCI E-Mail


Subject: Re: OT GCI E-Mail
From: Adam Elkins (i-robot@gci.net)
Date: Wed Apr 30 2003 - 11:31:34 AKDT


Hey Greg, you should change the character code in KMail, were getting alot of extra = and 20's...

Adam

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:48:57 -0800
Greg Jetter <greg@lazymountain.com> wrote:

>
> On Wednesday April 30 2003 12:03 am, gaijin@gci.net wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Greg Jetter wrote:
> > > On Tuesday April 29 2003 11:17 am, Adam Elkins wrote:
> > > > Is anyone eles getting slammed with Viagira spam? I get about 10 a =
> day
> > > > =3D
> > >
> > > now,
> > >
> > > > time to filter...
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > >
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> > >
> > > yes me as well it seem that GCI has been selling e-mail addresses
> > > to=3D20 spammers , or so=3D20
> > > I've heard , when I've recieved then it has been as one of many =3D=
> 20
> > > recipenants in the to: header all ending with @gci.net. I don't kn=
> ow
> > > w=3D hat=3D20
> > > to do besides setting up a filter. Since GCI spends the majority of
> > > thei=3D r=3D20
> > > time rebooting , or fixing problems (my e-mail account has been dow=
> n
> > > fo=3D r=3D20
> > > days at a time) I suppose the next thing is to report them to spam c=
> op.
> > >
> > > Greg
> >
> > I didn't see an emoticon, so I am forced to conclude you are not kiddin=
> g.
> >
> > Calculate the unit price on an email address @ $30/million, and multipl=
> y
> > that by the estimated number of customers [1], and voila, GCI's estimat=
> e
> > price point: About $2.50 per copy of the list sold.
> >
> > Contrast that with the costs of employee time, servers, support contrac=
> ts
> > with software providers, circuits, and the costs of transit to their
> > upstreams, and explain to me how GCI will make money on that deal.
> >
> > Or, we can look at the simple explanation: a spammer buys a list, or
> > performs an address harvesting attack to obtain his list, and then
> > proceeds to send out his bulk mail. Chances are his software will be
> > written to maximize the number of recipients, and minimize the transmit
> > time. So, instead of sending out 1 unique message per recipient
> > increasing the amount of data sent (1 set of headers for 1 recipient, o=
> r 1
> > set of headers for many recipients), the software will probably send to=
> as
> > many recipients as the server will accept per message, and allows the
> > receiving server to perform the work of generating the copies for the
> > recipients.
> >
> > Your logic seems to fail under scrutiny, Mr. Jetter.
>
> well I don't clame to be Mr Spock , and I did say in my post that "I had=
> =20
> heard a rummor that" GCI was selling e-mails ,=20
> >
> > With regards to your "solution" - have you checked the header of the
> > sent message (s)? Did the originating IP's come from GCI networks?=20
> looks like it to me...
>
> Did
> > you contact their security team and say "Hey, this spam came from your
> > network!"?
> >
> > My guess is no.
>
> no I didn't bother to contact them , I figured that if a no body like m=
> yself =20
> could kind of figure the spam was comming from an account on their ser=
> vice=20
> , it would be a known value to any Syst Admin doing his job correctly.=
> =20
> Nothing was stoping me from contacting them but I don't have the time t=
> o=20
> fight with them to correct the matter , I can always filter the stuff ou=
> t on=20
> my local box befor I read it. I was however responding to a post aski=
> ng=20
> if I was receiving spam about viagera , hell I not only get that one =
> but=20
> , that guy in nigera been after me to help him get his money out of thos=
> e =20
> swiss bank accounts for about a year now , I wonder if he ever got it...
>
> Greg
>
> >
> > Insert Occam's Razor here.
>
>
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