[aklug] Re: Ubuntu issues

I use debfoster on all my servers. I can distribute the debfoster
'keepers' list to ones I like to be configured similarly and run
debfoster -F to get things synced up. I use it on my workstations as
well to minimize the amount of cruft.

I have a document in progress that shows it off a bit at
http://www.madmanguides.com/wiki/TopicSystemTechnologyDebianInstallationMin=
imal
. I use this as my minimal multi purpose server setup. Primarily I
make sure that 'InstallRecommends' is turned completely off within
'apt' and debfoster is used to install and "keep" packages. i know
that aptitude has a solution for this as well, but I never got it to
work nearly as well.

- Shane

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Jim Gribbin <jimgribbin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> Might get him to try Deborphan, clean and autoremove under current
> circumstances. Not being a Debian/Ubuntu user, I wasn't familiar with
> them. Could guess at what "clean" was, basically same as "yum clean" in
> Fedora. Had to google the others.
>
> What the heck is "Delocaliser"? I googled it and everything came up
> Greek.
>
> Jim G
>
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 14:38 -0900, Lee Brumbaugh wrote:
>> There are programs like Deborphan or Delocaliser that I believe are simp=
le enough that you could compile them with your standard make/make install =
that might be able to clean a little space up. =A0I also recently ran acros=
s BleachBit (I believe on Sourceforge) that's basically a CCleaner for Linu=
x that may help. If an apt-get clean/autoremove freezes up as well, you cou=
ld run a find command in var to see what folder is taking up the most space=
. =A0Something like a 'find /var --max-depth=3D1' will tell you which folde=
r has the most data. =A0As Jon was saying if it is a LVM, running vgdisplay=
 will show unallocated space that could be added to var.
>>
>> Don't know if any of this will help, just things to try off the top of m=
y head.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> > Subject: [aklug] Re: Ubuntu issues
>> > From: jimgribbin@gmail.com
>> > To: jonr@destar.net
>> > CC: aklug@aklug.org
>> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 13:34:25 -0900
>> >
>> > I don't think he's up to that task. He's still kind of a newbie. I was
>> > rather surprised to see that his box had that many variations of OSs
>> > installed.
>> >
>> > I only see him in the coffee shop and I'm not confident enough in my
>> > abilities to go through that much in that environment. Maybe at
>> > FriLinux, but not sitting in the coffee shop.
>> >
>> > I also still can't figure out how he ended up with a separate partitio=
n
>> > for /var. I'm under the impression he just did a default install and
>> > most distros, anymore, seem to put everything except /boot and swap in=
 1
>> > partition.
>> >
>> > Speaking of all this, wouldn't this freezing thing be a bug that shoul=
d
>> > be dealt with? Maybe by the kernel people?
>> >
>> > This is not the 1st time I've seen boxes freeze because /var is full
>> > (usually log files). It looks like the system is locked in a loop
>> > waiting for space to open up. Space never opens, so it never returns
>> > from it's wait loop.
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 12:22 -0900, jonr@destar.net wrote:
>> > > Maybe he could just create a link to the /var/?? directory on a
>> > > partition with more space. Also, mention to him to use LVM for his
>> > > partitions and he can increase the size if he needs to. I believe yo=
u
>> > > can grow and shrink most filesystems except XFS and JFS, those can b=
e
>> > > grown but not shrank.
>> > >
>> > > Jon
>> > >
>> > > Quoting Jim Gribbin <jimgribbin@gmail.com>:
>> > >
>> > > > It doesn't. It just freezes the box.
>> > > > I think the problem is, is that for some reason he ended up with a
>> > > > separate /var partition and it is too small to hold the packages b=
eing
>> > > > downloaded.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mike B. offered to talk to him about talking him through some
>> > > > troubleshooting, but I think he's going wait until the next releas=
e and
>> > > > just do a clean install of (just) 1 version. He must have 4 or 5
>> > > > variants of Ubuntu installed along with Windows Vista and a Japane=
se
>> > > > Windows XP. All on one, multiboot, box..
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 12:06 -0700, William Attwood wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Tell him to open a Terminal and:
>> > > >> sudo apt-get update
>> > > >> sudo apt-get upgrade
>> > > >>
>> > > >> If there are errors, it will prompt him with what to do to clean =
them up.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Jim MacDonald <jim@macdonald.org=
> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > I also think he is talking about the update manager. which is n=
othing =3D
>> > > >> > but a GUI for APT. =A0and it's quite possible that his apt file=
s are =3D
>> > > >> > corrupt. He should be able to run "apt-get update" from the com=
mand line =3D
>> > > >> > and that will tell him what the issue is and probably recommend=
 a way to =3D
>> > > >> > correct it.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Jim MacDonald
>> > > >> > jim@macdonald.org
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > On Feb 17, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Jim Gribbin wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > I have an acquaintance using Ubuntu 9.10, so he tells me.
>> > > >> > > He tells me he is having difficulty updating the box using so=
mething
>> > > >> > > called the "download manager". Apparently it causes everythin=
g to =3D
>> > > >> > freeze
>> > > >> > > when he's attempting updates and he ends up power cycling his=
 laptop =3D
>> > > >> > as
>> > > >> > > everything is unresponsive.
>> > > >> > >=3D20
>> > > >> > > I am not an Ubuntu or Debian user and am unfamiliar with the =
supplied
>> > > >> > > tools. Would anybody have some pointers I can pass on?
>> > > >> > >=3D20
>> > > >> > > I've been trying to encourage him to show up at a Friday nigh=
t =3D
>> > > >> > session.
>> > > >> > > So far he's a no-show.
>> > > >> > >=3D20
>> > > >> > > Jim G
>> > > >> > >=3D20
>> > > >> > >=3D20
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