Subject: Fw: a few dumb questions
From: newnham (newnham@gci.net)
Date: Sat May 04 2002 - 22:40:47 AKDT
----- Original Message -----
From: "newnham" <newnham@gci.net>
To: "KURT BRENDGARD" <brendgard@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: a few dumb questions
> True,
> But being 19 I just got out of the ASd and I do know for a fact that they
> run things there own way. They streamline everything from whats taught in
> history to the computers in their labs. An example is when I was in
school,
> the teachers thought that I was either extremely lazy or mentally
retarted.
> They didn't even try any tests or anything, they just left me as a lost
> cause. The fact is school bored me, and many of my other "lost cause"
> friends. Are inteligence was way higher than what they were teaching us.
> this isn't the teachers fault it's the way the school board has them teach
> like the students are zombies. I have no respect for the ASD at all, and
> again I am not talking the teachers I am talking the board and how it's
run.
> I do believe that linux should be introduced into classrooms, and I think
> the best bet would be to talk to Mr. Kyle the technology teacher of
service
> high. He is very open minded and I am sure would give his ful support.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KURT BRENDGARD" <brendgard@yahoo.com>
> To: "stephen king" <sking@chartercollege.edu>
> Cc: <aklug@aklug.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:27 PM
> Subject: RE: a few dumb questions
>
>
> >
> > first. i wasnt meaning to start a flame war.
> >
> > second. i dont place the blame on the it dept of the
> > asd. i place it on the bureacracy. they seem to forget
> > that they are our employees. it is our business as
> > long as they work for us. the kids in the asd are not
> > the asd kids they belong to the parents. that alone
> > makes it the publics business. as long as we write the
> > paychecks how they do it is our business and if they
> > forget it we the public have the right thru the voting
> > process to fire them. and we also have the right to
> > tell them how we want it done. thats part of being the
> > employer.
> >
> > third. anybody out there claim that i think that linux
> > is the only or even the best solution to every
> > problem? actualy im sprised i havent drawn more flame
> > from some of the things ive posted. as each day passes
> > im less and less microsoft friendly, but i am not
> > rabidly linux either. i want them to expose the kids
> > to linux so they have the tools for work. there are
> > more unix servers in the world than nt. some have this
> > idea that we need to turn over all control to the
> > government and they will take care of us. wrong. if we
> > refuse to teach them all they need to know, they will
> > not have the ability to keep this country strong
> > economicaly or otherwise. im not saying push linux or
> > any os down their throats, im saying give exposure. if
> > the asd thinks that they know best how to raise our
> > kids, i say its time to take a close look at the asd
> > and think obout overhauling it. the kids dont belong
> > to the asd. the asd is not the boss, we are. it is our
> > business as long as they work for us.
> >
> > as long as it is a government of the people, by the
> > people and for the people tho, it is our business how,
> > and when, they do what we hire them to do. especialy
> > when it comes to our kids. this is one reason im a
> > firm believer in home schooling if parents can afford
> > it. the asd seems to think that the employee is in
> > charge not the employer. this is the same governmetal
> > mentality that thinks that we should do away with such
> > things as linux. its "for your own good". how can we
> > fight this bill in congress that would kill linux and
> > other gnu software but alow the government to dictate
> > to us in other areas its unaceptable because they say
> > so? let me decide whats good for me and mine, not you.
> >
> > ok im done ranting. flame all you want. im gonna try
> > and back outa it. i didnt mean to start a flame war :P
> > sorry peeps
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- stephen king <sking@chartercollege.edu> wrote:
> > > </sidelines>
> > > Don't forget that the "they" who you're claiming
> > > certain properties to be
> > > true of are in reality a group of IT professionals,
> > > a few of whom I happen
> > > to know and work with. I'll not argue against the
> > > fact that the ASD is full
> > > of bureacracy and could certainly streamline their
> > > operations, but I also
> > > know that were I in charge of that large network,
> > > and if I had a written
> > > plan on what my network was and what it would be in
> > > the future (as they do)
> > > then I, too, would rather resent somebody else
> > > coming in and telling me that
> > > I should do it better by changing my plan around.
> > >
> > > There are quite a few people here who believe Linux
> > > is a great solution for
> > > the IT field...of course, or you wouldn't be in the
> > > LUG...and I'd personally
> > > have to agree with that statement myself. Is it the
> > > solution for
> > > everything? <flamebait>IMHO, I don't think
> > > so.</flamebait> Regardless,
> > > that's a great argument to have in our own little
> > > spot in the IT world, but
> > > so long as the IT folks at the ASD continue doing
> > > their job of providing
> > > computer services to the students and faculty,
> > > whether they're doing it with
> > > our fave system or theirs really isn't any of our
> > > business.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > third. this thread about getting linux into the
> > > schools. i missed a lot of the tread so sorry if im
> > > off on a tangent. seems to me we will not get the
> > > school officials to listen or cooperate untill we
> > > get
> > > used to the idea that we need to hit them as others
> > > who are more sucessful do it, hit them where it
> > > hurts.
> > > lawsuit. seems to me that anybody that has had any
> > > sucess in the past with the alaska school systems
> > > has
> > > at least threatened a lawsuit first, before they had
> > > sucess with them. just an idea. i hate the idea of
> > > using microsofts methods but it may be the only way
> > > to
> > > get their attention. they are afraid. too afraid to
> > > let someting new in for fear of trouble. afraid
> > > something or some one is going to rock the boat. if
> > > we
> > > let them know they are going to have trouble either
> > > way, maybe they would take a fresh look?
> > > </snip>
> >
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