[aklug] Re: Meet an Ubuntu user

From: Marc Grober <marc@interak.com>
Date: Thu Sep 24 2009 - 14:53:35 AKDT

A seasoned SA asked me to look over a x-platform scripted solution
that was breaking.... Turned out that the users OS had a wget that
was inconsistent with the target usage.

Nor is ifconfig the same in all OS..... Not to mention changes over
time....

On Sep 24, 2009, at 2:39 PM, jonr@destar.net wrote:

> They've removed ifconfig in some distributions? Isn't that the sort of
> thing that started the Inquisition?
>
> Quoting Marc Grober <marc@interak.com>:
>
>> On the otherhand relying on an abstraction layer means less liklihood
>> that there will be a low level conflict.... Even the most basic *nix
>> commands vary over distributions, and anyone relying on assumptions
>> as
>> to what such and such a command does will get bit....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 2:20 PM, jonr@destar.net wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting Greg Madden <gomadtroll@acsalaska.net>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:35:09 -0800
>>>> "Shane R. Spencer" <shane@bogomip.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jonr@destar.net wrote:
>>>>>> Quoting Damien Hull <damien@linuxninjas.tv>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know... On older versions of Ubuntu the network manager had
>>>>>>> issues. I never figured out what the "issue" was. The quick
>>>>>>> solution for me was a reboot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.04 seems to have fixed that issue. I just need to
>>>>>>> remember that the wireless card can be turned off. Small
>>>>>>> switch on
>>>>>>> the side of my Dell inspiron 1525.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is Network Manager a frontend for wpa_supplicant?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yup. It runs wpa_supplicant and makes little config files in
>>>>> temporary directories for it to use. It stores network and
>>>>> passkey
>>>>> information in the gnome password manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said. It's really easy to just plain use wpa_supplicant or
>>>>> configure it from /etc/network/interfaces.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have network manager on any of my machines.. it's the
>>>>> first
>>>>> thing to go when I install a gnome desktop. CPU hungry, slow, it
>>>>> waits too long between configuration phases. I dislikes it, a
>>>>> not-to-rare sentiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Shane
>>>>
>>>> +1,
>>>>
>>>> I don't use Gnome, but network manager, at least on the Debian User
>>>> list, doesn't get much love .I have a vm of debian testing that is
>>>> standard, Gnome desktop, the network manager ALWAYS shows the hard
>>>> wired connection as disabled. This causes issues with apps that
>>>> look to
>>>> network manager to see if a connection is available.
>>>>
>>>> I can appreciate the attraction of all the auto-magic stuff, but,
>>>> every time I have an issue I find my self at the command line, if I
>>>> had
>>>> started there I would have saved all kinds of frustration/time.
>>>>
>>>> I use WindowMaker, setup so I can use the keyboard for most tasks.
>>>> Workstations are a different beast than roaming laptops though.
>>>> --
>>>> Peace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg Madden
>>>> ---------
>>>
>>> The real problem is brain dead developers relying on network manager
>>> to give them a status on the interface, rather than directly
>>> querying
>>> it with the tools that have been around for a hundred years....or
>>> less.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
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