[aklug] Re: Meet an Ubuntu user

I wasn't talking about wget, I was talking about using network
manager, which doesn't even exist on some *nix OSes, to query an
interface for an up or down state.

But because wget's options weren't the same on both of those systems
we could write an application that is not on all *nix systems and use
that instead?

Or maybe just code for the slight variations of some implementations
of wget and ifconfig on different systems.

Quoting Marc Grober <marc@interak.com>:

> A seasoned SA asked me to look over a x-platform scripted solution
> that was breaking.... Turned out that the users OS had a wget that
> was inconsistent with the target usage.
>
> Nor is ifconfig the same in all OS..... Not to mention changes over
> time....
>
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2009, at 2:39 PM, jonr@destar.net wrote:
>
>> They've removed ifconfig in some distributions? Isn't that the sort of
>> thing that started the Inquisition?
>>
>> Quoting Marc Grober <marc@interak.com>:
>>
>>> On the otherhand relying on an abstraction layer means less liklihood
>>> that there will be a low level conflict.... Even the most basic *nix
>>> commands vary over distributions, and anyone relying on assumptions
>>> as
>>> to what such and such a command does will get bit....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2009, at 2:20 PM, jonr@destar.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quoting Greg Madden <gomadtroll@acsalaska.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:35:09 -0800
>>>>> "Shane R. Spencer" <shane@bogomip.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jonr@destar.net wrote:
>>>>>>> Quoting Damien Hull <damien@linuxninjas.tv>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know... On older versions of Ubuntu the network manager had
>>>>>>>> issues. I never figured out what the "issue" was. The quick
>>>>>>>> solution for me was a reboot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.04 seems to have fixed that issue. I just need to
>>>>>>>> remember that the wireless card can be turned off. Small
>>>>>>>> switch on
>>>>>>>> the side of my Dell inspiron 1525.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is Network Manager a frontend for wpa_supplicant?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup. It runs wpa_supplicant and makes little config files in
>>>>>> temporary directories for it to use. It stores network and
>>>>>> passkey
>>>>>> information in the gnome password manager.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said. It's really easy to just plain use wpa_supplicant or
>>>>>> configure it from /etc/network/interfaces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have network manager on any of my machines.. it's the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> thing to go when I install a gnome desktop. CPU hungry, slow, it
>>>>>> waits too long between configuration phases. I dislikes it, a
>>>>>> not-to-rare sentiment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Shane
>>>>>
>>>>> +1,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use Gnome, but network manager, at least on the Debian User
>>>>> list, doesn't get much love .I have a vm of debian testing that is
>>>>> standard, Gnome desktop, the network manager ALWAYS shows the hard
>>>>> wired connection as disabled. This causes issues with apps that
>>>>> look to
>>>>> network manager to see if a connection is available.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can appreciate the attraction of all the auto-magic stuff, but,
>>>>> every time I have an issue I find my self at the command line, if I
>>>>> had
>>>>> started there I would have saved all kinds of frustration/time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use WindowMaker, setup so I can use the keyboard for most tasks.
>>>>> Workstations are a different beast than roaming laptops though.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Madden
>>>>> ---------
>>>>
>>>> The real problem is brain dead developers relying on network manager
>>>> to give them a status on the interface, rather than directly
>>>> querying
>>>> it with the tools that have been around for a hundred years....or
>>>> less.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
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Received on Thu Sep 24 15:23:42 2009