[aklug] Re: Meet an Ubuntu user

They've removed ifconfig in some distributions? Isn't that the sort of
thing that started the Inquisition?

Quoting Marc Grober <marc@interak.com>:

> On the otherhand relying on an abstraction layer means less liklihood
> that there will be a low level conflict.... Even the most basic *nix
> commands vary over distributions, and anyone relying on assumptions as
> to what such and such a command does will get bit....
>
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2009, at 2:20 PM, jonr@destar.net wrote:
>
>> Quoting Greg Madden <gomadtroll@acsalaska.net>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:35:09 -0800
>>> "Shane R. Spencer" <shane@bogomip.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jonr@destar.net wrote:
>>>>> Quoting Damien Hull <damien@linuxninjas.tv>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know... On older versions of Ubuntu the network manager had
>>>>>> issues. I never figured out what the "issue" was. The quick
>>>>>> solution for me was a reboot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.04 seems to have fixed that issue. I just need to
>>>>>> remember that the wireless card can be turned off. Small switch on
>>>>>> the side of my Dell inspiron 1525.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Network Manager a frontend for wpa_supplicant?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>> Yup. It runs wpa_supplicant and makes little config files in
>>>> temporary directories for it to use. It stores network and passkey
>>>> information in the gnome password manager.
>>>>
>>>> That said. It's really easy to just plain use wpa_supplicant or
>>>> configure it from /etc/network/interfaces.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have network manager on any of my machines.. it's the first
>>>> thing to go when I install a gnome desktop. CPU hungry, slow, it
>>>> waits too long between configuration phases. I dislikes it, a
>>>> not-to-rare sentiment.
>>>>
>>>> - Shane
>>>
>>> +1,
>>>
>>> I don't use Gnome, but network manager, at least on the Debian User
>>> list, doesn't get much love .I have a vm of debian testing that is
>>> standard, Gnome desktop, the network manager ALWAYS shows the hard
>>> wired connection as disabled. This causes issues with apps that
>>> look to
>>> network manager to see if a connection is available.
>>>
>>> I can appreciate the attraction of all the auto-magic stuff, but,
>>> every time I have an issue I find my self at the command line, if I
>>> had
>>> started there I would have saved all kinds of frustration/time.
>>>
>>> I use WindowMaker, setup so I can use the keyboard for most tasks.
>>> Workstations are a different beast than roaming laptops though.
>>> --
>>> Peace
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Madden
>>> ---------
>>
>> The real problem is brain dead developers relying on network manager
>> to give them a status on the interface, rather than directly querying
>> it with the tools that have been around for a hundred years....or
>> less.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
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