[aklug] Re: Meet an Ubuntu user

On the otherhand relying on an abstraction layer means less liklihood
that there will be a low level conflict.... Even the most basic *nix
commands vary over distributions, and anyone relying on assumptions as
to what such and such a command does will get bit....

On Sep 24, 2009, at 2:20 PM, jonr@destar.net wrote:

> Quoting Greg Madden <gomadtroll@acsalaska.net>:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:35:09 -0800
>> "Shane R. Spencer" <shane@bogomip.com> wrote:
>>
>>> jonr@destar.net wrote:
>>>> Quoting Damien Hull <damien@linuxninjas.tv>:
>>>>
>>>>> I know... On older versions of Ubuntu the network manager had
>>>>> issues. I never figured out what the "issue" was. The quick
>>>>> solution for me was a reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu 9.04 seems to have fixed that issue. I just need to
>>>>> remember that the wireless card can be turned off. Small switch on
>>>>> the side of my Dell inspiron 1525.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is Network Manager a frontend for wpa_supplicant?
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>> Yup. It runs wpa_supplicant and makes little config files in
>>> temporary directories for it to use. It stores network and passkey
>>> information in the gnome password manager.
>>>
>>> That said. It's really easy to just plain use wpa_supplicant or
>>> configure it from /etc/network/interfaces.
>>>
>>> I don't have network manager on any of my machines.. it's the first
>>> thing to go when I install a gnome desktop. CPU hungry, slow, it
>>> waits too long between configuration phases. I dislikes it, a
>>> not-to-rare sentiment.
>>>
>>> - Shane
>>
>> +1,
>>
>> I don't use Gnome, but network manager, at least on the Debian User
>> list, doesn't get much love .I have a vm of debian testing that is
>> standard, Gnome desktop, the network manager ALWAYS shows the hard
>> wired connection as disabled. This causes issues with apps that
>> look to
>> network manager to see if a connection is available.
>>
>> I can appreciate the attraction of all the auto-magic stuff, but,
>> every time I have an issue I find my self at the command line, if I
>> had
>> started there I would have saved all kinds of frustration/time.
>>
>> I use WindowMaker, setup so I can use the keyboard for most tasks.
>> Workstations are a different beast than roaming laptops though.
>> --
>> Peace
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Madden
>> ---------
>
> The real problem is brain dead developers relying on network manager
> to give them a status on the interface, rather than directly querying
> it with the tools that have been around for a hundred years....or
> less.
>
> Jon
>
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