[aklug] Re: Basic Linux information

Quoting Marc Grober <marc@interak.com>:

> No! Those unwilling to lift a finger to help themselves will not be
> benefitted by having someone act for them. Those who are willing to
> help themselves deserve support and encouragement.

I never said "do everything for the new user". What I did try to point
out is that if you can give them a good base with the apps that they
use everyday they will be more willing to stay and learn.

You are making an assumption of what I meant and are wrong.

> You demonstrate the viability of your position via performance not
> promotion. Proselytizing just produces different flavored
> fundamentalists, and in my book one evangelist is as bad as another.
>
> Open software is in a limited sense socialism at work and it's
> multinational.... That's enough right there to keep most of Alaska
> from Linux, lol..
>
> What has turned off people to Linux is that it is not marketed like
> windows, though windows is often much more difficult to configure than
> Linux and apps are inconveniently installed. And for unix folks who
> remember, the desire to have a single desktop is a hill too far.
>
> Humans are rarely rational, less so mobbed up. Any seachange will come
> as a result of major school districts putting Linux in student
> hands.... At ASD that has been an uphill climb until the arrival of
> the netbooks. Unfortunaly I have to suggest that ASD learned nothing
> institutionally from highland tech's efforts but one takes what one is
> dealt. You want to support Linux support the netbook users at ASD.
>
> On Sep 16, 2009, at 1:36 PM, jonr@destar.net wrote:
>
>> Ahh, yes, let us be elitist in the users we choose to help. The poor
>> unwashed masses must move on. That is exactly the attitude that has
>> turned off people to Linux for years now.
>>
>> What is our goal?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> Quoting Marc Grober <marc@interak.com>:
>>
>>> Ahhhhh...... Whether zen master or rabbi is responding, they will
>>> both advise that the wisdom of many ages and cultures suggests that
>>> information obtained without personal investment is worthless.
>>>
>>> To bring that up to date, people looking for simple answers should be
>>> sent on their way; there areno simple answers, only simple people. I
>>> am always happy to lend a hand to help someone but nit to do their
>>> work for them.
>>>
>>> You want a well supported easy to use desktop *nix OS, the answer is
>>> OS X, and if you want a support contract there are lots of companies
>>> that offer branded Linux. You want to explore an open OS, take a deep
>>> breath.....
>>>
>>> Don't Balkanize the net..... Part of the open software experience is
>>> learning from an international community... It can be frustrating,
>>> but soft soaping converts is not the way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2009, at 12:29 PM, jonr@destar.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Email
>>>> Flash
>>>> PDF Viewer
>>>> Java
>>>> Shockwave
>>>> DVD and Movie player (MPlayer, Xine, Totem)
>>>> MP3 player and on RH systems how to get mp3's to work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Installation will be different for each flavor of Linux so I don't
>>>> see
>>>> how that will work, unless you do it for all and then keep them up
>>>> to
>>>> date.
>>>>
>>>> These should all work out of the box, it is what they will expect
>>>> coming from a Windows environment. Any thing less and we will lose
>>>> them back to the dark side.
>>>>
>>>> Why use Linux and not Windows or Mac?
>>>>
>>>> Because it's free? Who cares when it is so complicated that a new
>>>> user
>>>> would gladly pay for something that just works.
>>>>
>>>> We would need to decide on one distro and that be the one that all
>>>> of
>>>> AKLUG recommends for any new user. When a new user asks "Which
>>>> distro
>>>> should I use?" and then gets 4 different answers with varying
>>>> reasons,
>>>> that doesn't answer the question. All of the above apps need to be
>>>> in
>>>> a base install of whatever distro is decided upon.
>>>>
>>>> Any thing less and it will fail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Damien Hull <damien@linuxninjas.tv>:
>>>>
>>>>> This goes along with documentation but I thought I would start a
>>>>> fresh thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we should have some basic Linux information we can offer
>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. installation instructions
>>>>> 2. How to backup data
>>>>> 3. How to keep data safe (encryption)
>>>>> 4. OpenOffice info
>>>>> 5. Photo editing info
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuff people can use... Just a thought
>>>>>
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Received on Wed Sep 16 17:02:54 2009