Re: ftp.aklug.org

I hear Alexander Graham Bell was onto a solution for this, I wonder
how that turned out :)

I would love a thread on peercast, video + sip via ekiga/etc and some
asterisk love to go back and forth on remote participation.

I know UAA uses some crazy windows junk to have essentially an IRC
channel, and live video which most of the teachers and students use in
the nursing department. Under the underdog OS's Peercast and IRC
would suit that the cause very well, the Peercast network is P2P
reducing the bandwidth requirements of the AKLUG meeting for any video
streams or screen captures.

Shane

On 4/20/07, barsalou <barjunk@attglobal.net> wrote:
> We ought to come up with a way to connect people remotely...like a
> conference gateway or something. Anyone want to try and figure that
> out?
>
> Mike B.
>
> Quoting Shane Spencer <shane@bogomip.com>:
>
> > My apologies for not being able to make it to this next meeting.
> >
> > On 4/20/07, barsalou <barjunk@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Thanks Shane.
> >>
> >> I was just discussing AKLUG's server needs with another member. Those
> >> drives wouldn't fit in our current box, but we could be an adapter that
> >> would allow us to use them as usb drives assuming they are ide.
> >>
> >> My hopes are that we will discuss this in the meeting, present the
> >> ideas we came up with in the meeting to the list as a whole, then move
> >> forward from there.
> >>
> >> Putting drives in that system will solve part of the problem, but
> >> doesn't take care of all our needs.
> >>
> >> Mike B.
> >>
> >> Quoting Shane Spencer <shane@bogomip.com>:
> >>
> >> > I have lots of 80 gig drives to donate to the ftp site. And using a
> >> > "dynamic" caching solution to offer debian based repositories requires
> >> > only the space of requested packages, those packages are cleaned off
> >> > the system once outdated via a cron script. I suppose thats one thing
> >> > you could get out of my rambling.
> >> >
> >> > On 4/20/07, barsalou <barjunk@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> Shane, thanks for rambling...not sure what message your trying to
> >> >> convey here, but one thing I can add to this is that our link to
> >> >> ftp.aklug.org is a 128KB link and is provided by Dee McKinney of Alaska
> >> >> Wireless.
> >> >>
> >> >> The other thing that should be known is that the current ftp server
> >> >> only has about 60G. Currently only .5G is online at the moment. I'm
> >> >> working to correct that soon.
> >> >>
> >> >> So opening up the ftp server to the world gets a little dicey.
> >> >>
> >> >> Given the relatively slow link and small amount of space, it's hard to
> >> >> do much more with this resource.
> >> >>
> >> >> Which is why I mentioned the meeting. We will be talking about this
> >> >> and other such issues.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike B.
> >> >>
> >> >> Quoting Shane Spencer <shane@bogomip.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I wish I had time to ramble on about why I can't regularly show up to
> >> >> > the meetings. A lot of us have our own reasons for it. However our
> >> >> > support doesn't waver.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike, from what I gather you are primarily responsible for the machine
> >> >> > responding to ftp.aklug.org, is this the same for the uplink it is
> >> >> > using? I'm not 100% sure on my assumption, I wasn't really looking
> >> >> > for something 'fun' to investigate when I asked for what I thought
> >> >> > would be clear answers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My apologies if I am about to be horribly redundant or incredibly
> >> >> > stubborn about a single simple issue. This has crossed the list
> >> >> > before because of this silly obsession I have.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I... love... caching.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have used CoralCDN for content distribution and caching and hoped to
> >> >> > make a test node or seperate network in Alaska some day (coming soon I
> >> >> > hope). I use caching apt repository proxies like approx in tandem
> >> >> > with apache or squid to offer what appears to be a full working
> >> >> > repository by directly proxying or redirecting all non package based
> >> >> > content requests to the original servers, while caching all packages.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > More important than just caching is high speed networks distributing
> >> >> > cached content. I use Flickr, tinypic and the like along side some
> >> >> > custom programs to offload my content to their distributed caching
> >> >> > network and away from my 10G quota MTA dsl connection. Using certain
> >> >> > FTP "push" techniques you can even offload large content dynamically
> >> >> > to your ISP's free web hosting account on the fly using redirects and
> >> >> > smart programming techniques. This method pushes updated content to
> >> >> > your ISP web account for them to serve out multiple times on their
> >> >> > high speed network instead of your slow ass hell upload speed and
> >> >> > using up your monthly transfer limit. Hell even I love having a rice
> >> >> > cooker that has rice "cached" and ready for me when I get home.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HTML and HTTP spec encourages caching and content distribution, yet
> >> >> > the world forgot to segregate cachable HTML content from dynamic
> >> >> > content for a single web page until recently, thank you Web 2.0.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bittorent and Zsync take chunks of data, hash them, and allow chunk
> >> >> > level synchronization of compressed and raw data via HTTP and
> >> >> > distributed content delivery. Preemptive caching! Thats not really
> >> >> > the term used however in essence thats what is happening.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Everybody in AKLUG knows our public IP network is highly segregated
> >> >> > from the rest of the world. It is important that if we have space,
> >> >> > somewhere, to offer caching to our members and linked to non-members
> >> >> > as needed, many LUG groups gain a wider name exposure by becoming
> >> >> > mirrors for popular data. The release of "The Fawn" for instance
> >> >> > being a primary example of this. Now I bet peeps and folks like
> >> >> > Arthur and Mike at AT&T can do the math and tell AKLUG beyond a shadow
> >> >> > of a doubt that if we started using our connection to the lower 48
> >> >> > less, that things may get more expensive for either AT&T or any of the
> >> >> > ISP's that depend on AT&T for their IP service. I assume this based
> >> >> > on the supply and demand model. The more of us that try to squeeze
> >> >> > out of Alaska and get the same damned thing just increases the demand.
> >> >> > I love hypothetical situations on the list so please put me in my
> >> >> > place for the benefit of all of us. We could finally have a good well
> >> >> > thought out idea of the interactions and ISP governing we deal with in
> >> >> > Alaska.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you Damien for taking the Feisty ISO's offline to CD for people
> >> >> > to use, its very thoughtful if not the ultimate sneakernet caching
> >> >> > system.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Shane
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
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Received on Fri Apr 20 18:34:55 2007