Re: ftp.aklug.org

From: barsalou <barjunk@attglobal.net>
Date: Fri Apr 20 2007 - 16:02:21 AKDT

We ought to come up with a way to connect people remotely...like a
conference gateway or something. Anyone want to try and figure that
out?

Mike B.

Quoting Shane Spencer <shane@bogomip.com>:

> My apologies for not being able to make it to this next meeting.
>
> On 4/20/07, barsalou <barjunk@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Shane.
>>
>> I was just discussing AKLUG's server needs with another member. Those
>> drives wouldn't fit in our current box, but we could be an adapter that
>> would allow us to use them as usb drives assuming they are ide.
>>
>> My hopes are that we will discuss this in the meeting, present the
>> ideas we came up with in the meeting to the list as a whole, then move
>> forward from there.
>>
>> Putting drives in that system will solve part of the problem, but
>> doesn't take care of all our needs.
>>
>> Mike B.
>>
>> Quoting Shane Spencer <shane@bogomip.com>:
>>
>> > I have lots of 80 gig drives to donate to the ftp site. And using a
>> > "dynamic" caching solution to offer debian based repositories requires
>> > only the space of requested packages, those packages are cleaned off
>> > the system once outdated via a cron script. I suppose thats one thing
>> > you could get out of my rambling.
>> >
>> > On 4/20/07, barsalou <barjunk@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> Shane, thanks for rambling...not sure what message your trying to
>> >> convey here, but one thing I can add to this is that our link to
>> >> ftp.aklug.org is a 128KB link and is provided by Dee McKinney of Alaska
>> >> Wireless.
>> >>
>> >> The other thing that should be known is that the current ftp server
>> >> only has about 60G. Currently only .5G is online at the moment. I'm
>> >> working to correct that soon.
>> >>
>> >> So opening up the ftp server to the world gets a little dicey.
>> >>
>> >> Given the relatively slow link and small amount of space, it's hard to
>> >> do much more with this resource.
>> >>
>> >> Which is why I mentioned the meeting. We will be talking about this
>> >> and other such issues.
>> >>
>> >> Mike B.
>> >>
>> >> Quoting Shane Spencer <shane@bogomip.com>:
>> >>
>> >> > I wish I had time to ramble on about why I can't regularly show up to
>> >> > the meetings. A lot of us have our own reasons for it. However our
>> >> > support doesn't waver.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike, from what I gather you are primarily responsible for the machine
>> >> > responding to ftp.aklug.org, is this the same for the uplink it is
>> >> > using? I'm not 100% sure on my assumption, I wasn't really looking
>> >> > for something 'fun' to investigate when I asked for what I thought
>> >> > would be clear answers.
>> >> >
>> >> > So..
>> >> >
>> >> > My apologies if I am about to be horribly redundant or incredibly
>> >> > stubborn about a single simple issue. This has crossed the list
>> >> > before because of this silly obsession I have.
>> >> >
>> >> > I... love... caching.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have used CoralCDN for content distribution and caching and hoped to
>> >> > make a test node or seperate network in Alaska some day (coming soon I
>> >> > hope). I use caching apt repository proxies like approx in tandem
>> >> > with apache or squid to offer what appears to be a full working
>> >> > repository by directly proxying or redirecting all non package based
>> >> > content requests to the original servers, while caching all packages.
>> >> >
>> >> > More important than just caching is high speed networks distributing
>> >> > cached content. I use Flickr, tinypic and the like along side some
>> >> > custom programs to offload my content to their distributed caching
>> >> > network and away from my 10G quota MTA dsl connection. Using certain
>> >> > FTP "push" techniques you can even offload large content dynamically
>> >> > to your ISP's free web hosting account on the fly using redirects and
>> >> > smart programming techniques. This method pushes updated content to
>> >> > your ISP web account for them to serve out multiple times on their
>> >> > high speed network instead of your slow ass hell upload speed and
>> >> > using up your monthly transfer limit. Hell even I love having a rice
>> >> > cooker that has rice "cached" and ready for me when I get home.
>> >> >
>> >> > HTML and HTTP spec encourages caching and content distribution, yet
>> >> > the world forgot to segregate cachable HTML content from dynamic
>> >> > content for a single web page until recently, thank you Web 2.0.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bittorent and Zsync take chunks of data, hash them, and allow chunk
>> >> > level synchronization of compressed and raw data via HTTP and
>> >> > distributed content delivery. Preemptive caching! Thats not really
>> >> > the term used however in essence thats what is happening.
>> >> >
>> >> > Everybody in AKLUG knows our public IP network is highly segregated
>> >> > from the rest of the world. It is important that if we have space,
>> >> > somewhere, to offer caching to our members and linked to non-members
>> >> > as needed, many LUG groups gain a wider name exposure by becoming
>> >> > mirrors for popular data. The release of "The Fawn" for instance
>> >> > being a primary example of this. Now I bet peeps and folks like
>> >> > Arthur and Mike at AT&T can do the math and tell AKLUG beyond a shadow
>> >> > of a doubt that if we started using our connection to the lower 48
>> >> > less, that things may get more expensive for either AT&T or any of the
>> >> > ISP's that depend on AT&T for their IP service. I assume this based
>> >> > on the supply and demand model. The more of us that try to squeeze
>> >> > out of Alaska and get the same damned thing just increases the demand.
>> >> > I love hypothetical situations on the list so please put me in my
>> >> > place for the benefit of all of us. We could finally have a good well
>> >> > thought out idea of the interactions and ISP governing we deal with in
>> >> > Alaska.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you Damien for taking the Feisty ISO's offline to CD for people
>> >> > to use, its very thoughtful if not the ultimate sneakernet caching
>> >> > system.
>> >> >
>> >> > Shane
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
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