Subject: Re: OT GCI E-Mail
From: Adam Elkins (i-robot@gci.net)
Date: Wed Apr 30 2003 - 21:21:20 AKDT
Lookin good...
Adam
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 19:24:30 -0800
Greg Jetter <greg@lazymountain.com> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday April 30 2003 11:31 am, Adam Elkins wrote:
> > Hey Greg, you should change the character code in KMail, were getting a=
> lot
> > of extra =3D and 20's...
> >
> > Adam
> >
>
> I changed it to utf8(local) did that help? it was set to us ascii ..
>
> Greg
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:48:57 -0800
> >
> > Greg Jetter <greg@lazymountain.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday April 30 2003 12:03 am, gaijin@gci.net wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Greg Jetter wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday April 29 2003 11:17 am, Adam Elkins wrote:
> > > > > > Is anyone eles getting slammed with Viagira spam? I get about 1=
> 0 a
> > > > > > =3D
> > >
> > > day
> > >
> > > > > > =3D3D
> > > > >
> > > > > now,
> > > > >
> > > > > > time to filter...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------
> > > > > > To unsubscribe, send email to <aklug-request@aklug.org>
> > > > > > with 'unsubscribe' in the message body.
> > > > >
> > > > > yes me as well it seem that GCI has been selling e-mail addres=
> ses
> > > > > to=3D3D20 spammers , or so=3D3D20
> > > > > I've heard , when I've recieved then it has been as one of man=
> y
> > > > > =3D3D=3D
> > >
> > > 20
> > >
> > > > > recipenants in the to: header all ending with @gci.net. I don'=
> t
> > > > > kn=3D
> > >
> > > ow
> > >
> > > > > w=3D3D hat=3D3D20
> > > > > to do besides setting up a filter. Since GCI spends the majority=
> of
> > > > > thei=3D3D r=3D3D20
> > > > > time rebooting , or fixing problems (my e-mail account has been
> > > > > dow=3D
> > >
> > > n
> > >
> > > > > fo=3D3D r=3D3D20
> > > > > days at a time) I suppose the next thing is to report them to sp=
> am
> > > > > c=3D
> > >
> > > op.
> > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > I didn't see an emoticon, so I am forced to conclude you are not
> > > > kiddin=3D
> > >
> > > g.
> > >
> > > > Calculate the unit price on an email address @ $30/million, and
> > > > multipl=3D
> > >
> > > y
> > >
> > > > that by the estimated number of customers [1], and voila, GCI's
> > > > estimat=3D
> > >
> > > e
> > >
> > > > price point: About $2.50 per copy of the list sold.
> > > >
> > > > Contrast that with the costs of employee time, servers, support
> > > > contrac=3D
> > >
> > > ts
> > >
> > > > with software providers, circuits, and the costs of transit to thei=
> r
> > > > upstreams, and explain to me how GCI will make money on that deal.
> > > >
> > > > Or, we can look at the simple explanation: a spammer buys a list, o=
> r
> > > > performs an address harvesting attack to obtain his list, and then
> > > > proceeds to send out his bulk mail. Chances are his software will =
> be
> > > > written to maximize the number of recipients, and minimize the tran=
> smit
> > > > time. So, instead of sending out 1 unique message per recipient
> > > > increasing the amount of data sent (1 set of headers for 1 recipien=
> t,
> > > > o=3D
> > >
> > > r 1
> > >
> > > > set of headers for many recipients), the software will probably sen=
> d
> > > > to=3D
> > >
> > > as
> > >
> > > > many recipients as the server will accept per message, and allows t=
> he
> > > > receiving server to perform the work of generating the copies for t=
> he
> > > > recipients.
> > > >
> > > > Your logic seems to fail under scrutiny, Mr. Jetter.
> > >
> > > well I don't clame to be Mr Spock , and I did say in my post that "I
> > > had=3D =3D20
> > > heard a rummor that" GCI was selling e-mails ,=3D20
> > >
> > > > With regards to your "solution" - have you checked the header of th=
> e
> > > > sent message (s)? Did the originating IP's come from GCI networks?=
> =3D20
> > >
> > > looks like it to me...
> > >
> > > Did
> > >
> > > > you contact their security team and say "Hey, this spam came from y=
> our
> > > > network!"?
> > > >
> > > > My guess is no.
> > >
> > > no I didn't bother to contact them , I figured that if a no body li=
> ke
> > > m=3D yself =3D20
> > > could kind of figure the spam was comming from an account on their
> > > ser=3D vice=3D20
> > > , it would be a known value to any Syst Admin doing his job
> > > correctly.=3D =3D20
> > > Nothing was stoping me from contacting them but I don't have the ti=
> me
> > > t=3D o=3D20
> > > fight with them to correct the matter , I can always filter the stuf=
> f
> > > ou=3D t on=3D20
> > > my local box befor I read it. I was however responding to a post=20
> > > aski=3D ng=3D20
> > > if I was receiving spam about viagera , hell I not only get that =
> one
> > > =3D but=3D20
> > > , that guy in nigera been after me to help him get his money out of
> > > thos=3D e =3D20
> > > swiss bank accounts for about a year now , I wonder if he ever got it=
> =2E..
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > > Insert Occam's Razor here.
> > >
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