Subject: RE: aklug Digest V1 #171
From: Mike Barsalou (mbarsalou@aidea.org)
Date: Mon Oct 21 2002 - 09:47:13 AKDT
I haven't found anyone yet that DISLIKES either one very much. There are
many that prefer KDE because of the near windows experience a person can
get.
RedHat 8.0 has changed that a little with BlueCurve. They sort of took away
the main differences between the two so that picking one over the other
resultes in a very similar look.
This has caused some grumbling among some of the "purists", however, they
didn't limit your ability to make a "pure" KDE or Gnome environment...just
minimized some of the initial choices. I find this helpful.
Mike
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Subject: aklug Digest V1 #171
aklug Digest Sat, 19 Oct 2002 Volume: 01 Issue: 171
In This Issue:
Re: Digital Darkroom under Linux
Moving
RE: An Engineer's View of the Sexes
Gnome vs KDE
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:30:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Christopher E. Brown" <cbrown@woods.net>
Subject: Re: Digital Darkroom under Linux
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Peter Q. Olsson wrote:
> I do a fair amount of image editing using linux tools, gimp mostly. I have
a
> nikon coolpix 990 3.2 Mpixel camera, and a new Sony model???? 5.1 Mpixel
camera,
> a nikon LS2000(?) slide scanner, and an older HP scanner. Also have an
epson
> 1270 photo printer.
>
> I use Xsane from gimp to do the scan captures. It has been my experience
that
> once you get a good transfer function (color balance bias) for the scanner
in
> question, the scanning is fairly straightforward. I also find that scans
take a
> lot more post-capture manipulation that do the digital cameras.
>
> With either of my cameras, I have not found much of a problem at all with
color
> balance, except in low-light situations, and the images have other
problems as
> well. I am sure that this varies from camera to camera. I use a pcmcia
card
> adaptor to download images from the camera memory modules. Insert the card
and
> mount as a vfat file system.
The cameras raw can be a bit closer. I have found VueScan to be much
better than Sane for filmscanners. It handles things a bit cleaner,
and does a very good job of compensation for the films base color.
Once I select the film type, or better yet use a clear area to
calibrate to the film stock the colors are *right* on.
> The gamut of the printer is a fair amount different than that of the
> monitor/graphics card, and to get a print that looks similar to the screen
often
> takes quite a bit of image editing. Not sure if this is an artifact of the
> printer or gimp-print. I suspect the latter.
Unfort GIMP support for ICC profiles and emulated display of
CMYK is non-existant. One must properly calibrate ones display, and
X just to get proper display. Then colorspace conversions come in...
Evil!
> As to 24 vs 48 bit color, I question, perhaps naively, that 48 bit color
is all
> that useful, except in a few critical applications. The varying response
> functions of the display media (CRT, lcd, print) from one instance to
another
> probably overwhelms the subtle differences enabled by 48 bit color.
It depends. The dynamic range of color negative film is
greater than 24bits. (Slide film is not so much of an issue). Often
if you can scan at 30bits or greater you can putt out alot more detail
in the shadow and highlights. For example, the sky is all washed
out, some is nicely visible, and the shadows are black. If you do a
36bit scan, then control the shift to 24bit you can pull the details
out of the shadows and the highlights, rather than losing one or the
other.
A good example would be an 8 shot sunset sequence I shot last year
overlooking the great salt lake in Utah.
In prints or a 24bit scan you have a nice looking sun, a few hints of
the clouds, and a very dark bottom of the frame.
With a 36bit multipass scan you get the very bright sun (it is fully
in the frame in the first few), *and* you can pull out all the clouds
(even the colors), and the ground in front of the camera and its
feature are clearly visible. *MUCH* closer to what the scene looked
like to the eye.
I really don't bother with home printers. They are ok for scrapbook
stuff, but for something I would hang on the wall I send out to a shop
with a Canon photo printer costing *at least* what I make in a year.
-- I route, therefore you are.------------------------------
From: "damien hull" <dhull@digitaloverload.net> Subject: Moving Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:32:00 -0800
Because the tech market here in Anchorage is so slow I am Moving to San Francisco. I plan on moving in January. I'm hoping I will be able to get a Linux job there.
I DON'T DO WINDOWS!
Before I move I will be getting rid of most of my computer collection. I've got pentium workstations, an 8 port kvm, 19" steel rack, etc...
I haven't gone through all of my stuff yet but some of it should start showing up at the Friday night meetings. The first to go will be the free stuff.
I'll post a full list of what I have soon.
I may not make it to this Friday nights meeting but I should make it to the rest of them.
Damien Hull www.digitaloverload.net
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From: "Jan Zumwalt" <jwzumwalt@neatinfo.com> Subject: RE: An Engineer's View of the Sexes Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:07:51 -0800
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-----Original Message----- From: John Peck [mailto:anjcp@uaa.alaska.edu] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:27 AM To: 'Jan Zumwalt' Subject: RE: An Engineer's View of the Sexes
Please post this picture on the web and send us an address we can go to. Thanks:)
-----Original Message----- From: aklug-bounce@aklug.org [mailto:aklug-bounce@aklug.org] On Behalf Of Jan Zumwalt Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 08:53 To: Paul Rieland; Arthur Corliss; Navion-Friends; Gene Kunz; Ron Haney; Edd Campbell; Tom Williams; Aklug; Ken Wyhand Subject: An Engineer's View of the Sexes
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:12:12 -0800 From: "Michael Gillson" <Michael_Gillson@chugachelectric.com> Subject: Gnome vs KDE
I just installed RedHat 8 in a dual environment on a Toshiba Satellite LapTop. Everything went well. I installed KDE but I wonder what other people like/dislike about the Gnome or KDE.
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