[aklug] Re: really tiny text editor with emulation

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Christopher Howard <
christopher.howard@frigidcode.com> wrote:

> On 04/17/2013 08:12 PM, Royce Williams wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Christopher Howard
> > <christopher.howard@frigidcode.com
> > <mailto:christopher.howard@frigidcode.com>> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > I can fly editing circles around everyone I know who uses Vim. Can do
> > stuff in seconds with macros, shortcuts, and functions that takes
> them
> > two or three minutes of laborious typing. And if I forget how to do
> > anything, I'm usually only takes me about 30 seconds to find out how
> to
> > do it via the built in reference manual. And I like the fact that I
> can
> > customize just about any behavior through the customize variable
> > interface.
> >
> >
> > Ooh! Religious war! ;-)
> >
> > So what you're saying is ... when paired up with someone who doesn't
> > know about vim's macros and shortcuts, and doesn't know how to use vim's
> > built-in reference manual ... Emacs wins? Doesn't sound like a fair
> > fight to me!
> >
> > In other words: if you're watching someone doing 30 seconds of laborious
> > typing with vim, the problem isn't vim.
> >
> > Royce
>
> Heh heh. My flame post was already quite long, so I didn't add the
> caveat: "But these people probably don't know Emacs as well as I know
> Vim, so it wasn't a fair fight." That's probably true. But the point of
> my last post wasn't "Vim is a bad editor" (which I never said). The
> point was that Emacs IS a good editor (contrary to the jokes made by the
> people who don't use it.)
>

Fair enough!

> Now, I think it might be pretty fun to have some kind of competition
> between our best Emacs guru and our best Vim guru, and see who is
> faster. Though, creating a set of non-biased challenges might be difficult.
>

Oooh! I hear tell that Lance Ahern is a vi wizard; I nominate him.

> My crack about "does anybody still use Vim" was rather tongue-in-cheek,
> because Vim is still a more popular editor choice than Emacs, according
> to the polls I have seen. (Though, I doubt somewhat the reliability of
> those polls, owing to method and location.)

Of course! If you were serious, I wouldn't have bothered replying. ;-)

-- 
Royce Williams
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