[aklug] systemd - was Re: multiple distros coordinate to establish /run directory

From: barsalou <barjunk@attglobal.net>
Date: Tue Apr 05 2011 - 22:14:53 AKDT

Quoting Arthur Corliss <acorliss@nevaeh-linux.org>:

> On Tue, 5 Apr 2011, barsalou wrote:
>
>> Jim, thanks for posting the link. This makes getting to the heart of =3D=
20
>> what is going on in systemd much easier and I don't have to slog =3D20
>> through uneducated, narrow minded, diatribe about how fantastic it is =3D=
20
>> or how terrible it is.
>
> Et tu, Barsalutus? ;-) I'm still waiting for any rebuttals to anything
> I've written on the matter.

You crack me up Art. I didn't even take sides! :)

I don't want to argue either for or against it at this point. The one =20
point that is ringing true with me at the moment though is that you do =20
one thing and do it well.

>
>> This gives me direct access to present the kinds of questions that we =3D=
20
>> have asked in this forum and to read for myself what the author of =3D20
>> systemd thinks.
>
> I hope you also noticed the end of the article where people are wondering =
if
> it should replace cron & gnome-session. I think that sums up pretty nicel=
y
> everything that's wrong with this project. And if you look at the "featur=
e"
> list this mentality is gaining momemtum and influence. Linux will be
> the worse for it, mark my words.

Nothing to disagree with here either. Maybe that is what the silence =20
you are getting is about....they all agree with you! :)

Some of the commentary isn't well thought out and many of the people =20
make conjecture and guesses that could be right on or completely off.

>
> Every problem they're trying to solve is worth solving, but not by *one*
> overly complex and buggy blob.
>

I propose that instead of arguing, or trying to logic our way into a =20
particular position, we actually work to make it fail with simple =20
specific purposeful problems. It should be easy to do if it is =20
'overly complex and buggy blob'.

Something demonstrable (<-note the sorta play on words) is much more =20
effective than arguing one point or another with logic.

The other thing that needs to be brought to light is that the entirety =20
of that conversation was many internet years ago.

My main point was to ensure that I show proper appreciate to Jim for =20
making my life just a little easier by pointing me to what might be =20
considered close to the beginning of implementing systemd distribution =20
wide.

Who among you are willing to actively work toward breaking systemd to =20
prove its inabilities?

This process might actually educate us in ways we never thought possible.

If you are looking for a place to start, just look at the link Jim =20
provided or hijack some of the other comments that were made in the =20
link and in our own thread of this conversation.

Mike B.

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