[aklug] Re: AKLUG and others

On Thursday 04 March 2010 04:19:17 pm Christopher Howard wrote:
> Marc Grober wrote:
> > Just yanking your chain, Josh ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 4, 2010, at 3:38 PM, "Joshua J. Kugler" <joshua@eeinternet.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >> On Thursday 04 March 2010, Marc Grober elucidated thus:
> >>> But all that aside Jpsh, to mention sane
> >>> OS like "OS X or Linux" without mentioning unix in your blog, now
> >>> that is inexcusable ;) didn't someone do a poll of sorts earlier - re
> >>> cp/m lol - there was life before torvald
> >>
> >> Marc: re-read that section. I was listing the classes I've taken and
> >> the ways in which they helped me. :) Context:
> >>
> >> "I've taken the full complement of CS classes to earn my BS, and
> >> almost
> >> my MS. There are classes I may never use again. But I'm glad I had
> >> CS... 321 (Operating systems; especially helps when running on "sane"
> >> systems such as Linux or Mac OS X)"
> >>
> >> I've run Linux and Max OS X, personally. I've had no experience with
> >> any other Unix. Nothing against them...just no motivation or
> >> opportunity at the moment. I'd love to learn BSD, and probably
> >> Solaris, but I haven't gotten there yet.
> >>
> >> But you're right, that paragraph could be construed in a more general
> >> context, in which case, it should include other Unices.
> >>
> >> j
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joshua Kugler
> >> Part-Time System Admin/Programmer
> >> http://www.eeinternet.com
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> My twelve cents, as a UAF student and aspiring programmer: Nearly
> everything I've every learned about programming was learned /outside/ of
> class. Everything they have tried to teach me about programming per se,
> I either already knew, or could have learned in twenty minutes through
> online tutorials.
>
> The CS program would be a complete waste of time and money for me
> except, as Josh mentioned, there are some useful classes that teach you
> about how a computer works. For example, understanding what goes on in
> the registers or how the various aspects of memory work can give you a
> better perspective on how to program well. (And of course, math courses
> and such are beneficial.)
>
> Not to say there aren't neat things you can learn to do in high level
> courses. I'm just convinced, more than ever, that you don't learn /how
> to program/ at a university. You have to do that on your own, with lots
> of trial and error practice.

Not supporting one way or another, and just barely got out of HS alive, .. its not
the first year where you learn stuff it is the 5th or 6th year. or beyond.
Universities do not discriminate for those who want to 'progam' and those that
want to go onto say ... http://www.csail.mit.edu/. Everyone starts at the same
place.

That said, FOSS gives everyone the tools to figure it out for themselves without
asking anyones permission or acceptance.

-- 
Peace
Greg Madden
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