Re: Those IT guys are loony

On Saturday 17 March 2007, Jon Reynolds wrote:
> Greg Madden wrote:
> > On Friday 16 March 2007, Arthur Corliss wrote:
> > snip
> >
> >> Look, there should be a hierarchal structure of users within a
> >> group, consisting of different skill levels. The goal of any
> >> non-dead user group should be not just to get more members, but to
> >> progress those members to higher skill levels. That way you keep an
> >> energized membership that's continually learning something new, and
> >> mentoring those who arrived after them. And that energy and
> >> excitement about harnessing technology (or even creating it) can
> >> lure on even more new members.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry guys, but if everyone thinks that this group is fine with
> >> no focus, no direction, no enticement for users to succeed (as users
> >> or admins, hackers, etc.), then this group is already dead and
> >> beyond resuscitation.
> >
> > I think if Arthur wants more direction or intellectual stimulization
> > in Aklug he should help provide it. I am a user, myself, go to Friday
> > Nite , and from my perspective we have introduced many new people to
> > Linux, and continue to do so.
>
> It can't be one person doing it all, it will fail. Greg, if all you can
> do is show up at the Friday nights and help people there then that is
> all you can do, no need to feel like anyone is down on you. Anybody
> else who feels like Greg has mentioned the same applies.
>
> I have been thinking of some ideas we could try.
>
> Pick a topic that is interesting and lets tear it apart as a group
> working together and helping each other. Before we start we would need
> to agree on what our final objective is, that way we have direction in
> what we will learn.
>
> We could do apache, where we setup a server that does virtual hosting
> and then we secure the box with best practices, we also tweak our
> system to give apache peak performance.
>
> This could be the project of the month, all other questions and answers
> and greetings and meetings would still go on in the list but for one
> month we would all learn about apache. Next month we could tackle DNS
> then mail then databases. It wouldn't have to just be applications,
> different OSes we could also do, *BSDs, Solaris 10, QNX. We could do
> themes, securing the network, kernel internals, shell one-liners and of
> course perl one-liners and the dreaded...regular expression.
>
> We wouldn't have to dedicate time we could do it over the list, when
> you had the time to read the posts for that day or week you could catch
> up or help to catch others up. We would then have questions and answers
> going on for one topic that we would focus on.
>
> Again, the regular questions would still be flowing on the list that
> would not change, this would just be an added feature to our group
> mailing list.
>
> Now, I know I said I would keep quiet and let it go but I can't. There
> is too much opportunity here and too many very smart people on this
> list that have a lot to offer. It has to be enjoyable and flexible
> otherwise it becomes a chore that no one wants to do.
>
> What do you all think, do you have better ideas or something that will
> work better? Do we want to try something like this and see how it goes?
>
> Jon
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I guess all I'am saying is that the user side of Aklug seems to be doing
okay. Aklug has a successful program in place to help new users. If an
Aklug member wants more , they should provide for it. No disrespect meant
for anyone, I know and respect everyone on the list.

The 'user' program seems succsessful, I can not address the concerns of
the 'hackers'.

Peace

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Greg Madden
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