RE: MOA web page forms question

Quick top-post.
Just checked the latest firefox build (0909 avery) and I'm
able to see your building permit on 2511 Eagle St, for a value of $587k

mmm. resturant supply.

Whee!

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2004-09-09-08-0.9/

You may want to build a new profile for just this version.. it's always
the best thing to do..

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leif Sawyer [mailto:lsawyer@gci.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:53 AM
> To: aklug@aklug.org
> Cc: Neil Moomey
> Subject: RE: MOA web page forms question
>
> Neil Moomey wrote:
> >
> > Where did you find that document.all is deprecated? I.E.
> 6.0 supports
> > it and my JavaScript 1.5 book shows it too. I think it's older
> > browsers which don't support it. IE 3 and Nav 4 for example.
> > Netscape had a great idea but the browser companies turned
> JavaScript
> > into a nightmare with their inconsistent implementations,
> > enhancements, and bugs they refuse to fix.
> >
> >
> http://devedge.netscape.com/library/xref/2002/client-data/prop
> erty-data-docu
> ment.html
> Well, perhaps proprietary extension?
>
> ---
> The [Mozilla] bug in question is 248549 (please do not flame
> Bugzilla). It adds "undetectable" support for document.all,
> Microsoft's proprietary equivalent to the standard
> document.getElementById.
> Both methods are used for getting
> and manipulating elements in a dynamic Web page.
> document.getElementById is supported by Internet Explorer
> version 5 and above, Gecko-based browsers (Mozilla &
> Firefox), Safari, and Opera, whereas document.all is
> introduced by IE 4.
>
> The partial support will fix some legacy, Internet
> Explorer-only sites.
> Currently, a Web page that blindly uses document.all will
> break in Mozilla. The next version of Mozilla and Firefox
> will happily display such a page (but complain 'Non-standard
> document.all property was used. Use W3C standard
> document.getElementById() instead.' silently in the
> JavaScript Console).
> Web developers and standard pedants will be pleased to know
> that this does not break standard-compliant sites; if a Web
> page properly checks for support of .all, Mozilla will negate
> the check (hence "undetected" support), allowing it to use
> .getElementById instead.
>
> Undetectable document.all support will not fix all IE-only
> problems. An old page that checks for support of .all but
> then use document.layers (which is Netscape 4-only) will not
> work. Some sites check browser identifications (UA string)
> and block anything that is not Internet Explorer or Netscape;
> for Mozilla to work, the user has to tweak the UA string.
> It's worth noting that IE 4 and Netscape 4 combined have less
> than 1% browser market share, and many sites need code revamp.
> A much better but slower solution is Tech Evangelism, a
> project for persuading Webmasters to update old code and
> support Mozilla.
>
> -------
> The correct way to do browser detection (for customizing
> JavaScript to the
> browser) is to check for features
> rather than for a browser. For example, to do stuff with
> layers in JavaScript, use:
> if(document.layers){ do things with 'layers' } To test
> for standards compliant browsers, use:
> if(document.getElementById) { do things that work in IE,
> Mozilla or any browser supporting getElementById } To use the
> document.all object, check if it is supported rather than
> checking for IE, the only browser that does support it:
> if(document.all){ do things with the document.all object}
>
> ----------
>
> There is supposed to be a hidden preference to turn off this:
> browser.dom.document.all.disabled
> but putting that in my user.js doesn't seem to solve the problem.
> It may not have made it down to the current moz/firefox release.
> You might want to check CVS/nightly builds.
>
>
> Leif
>
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