[aklug] Re: Coding websites by text editor...

I have been out of the loop in web programming for awhile.
This argument started in the mac thread about basic editors is similiar to
the arguments of the early 1990s. The UI needs more attention in modern
programming. Until the last couple of years it was not even taught in
computer science. Windows 3.0 apps sucked very bad and didn't have features
like cut and paste with the mouse and were odd. Old x11 apps were bad in
Unix as well a decade ago. The web is the same as many here have used nasty
intranet sites doing work at corporations.

It is time to use modern tools for visual design. It does not mean you are
less of a man for using WYSIWYG candy, but is rather a tool to make sure
what you see on the design screen is what the user will see. On the web this
means great CSS support and textures for buttons and menus that don't look
from 2,000. It means putting a huge emphasis on UI that is equal to the
design of logic of the app. If a user can not find a function then what is
the point of writing it?

As you can tell I am in the IDE crowd. I believe many open source apps like
this and I think we should write one. We wrote Gimp and paint.net to compete
with paintshop pro and photoshop. Just an open source idea that is badly
needed if we want open standards to succeed. I do not have the budget for
$$$ proprietary software but it can do the job quite well. I was thinking of
writing a 3rd party addon for Eclipse and Netbeans that use the desing mode
of Swing with dynamic html instead to have a visual preview of a webpage.

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin <tenach@gmail.com>wrote:

> I code my wordpress themes, plugins, and functions by hand. I also code
> other sites by hand as well, but I generally include a web-based editor for
> the final product that utilizes php and mysql for page generation.
> Recently just coded something similar to what you outlined, only it was 16
> pages. :) Just because you do things by hand doesn't mean you code each
> and
> every page by hand. Any developer worth their beans will make page
> generation as dynamic as needed.
>
> Also, content is not part of coding. It's what your code is built to
> handle. :)
>
> Thomas Plastino Martin
> https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> http://tenach.net
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Damien Hull <damien@linuxninjas.tv>
> wrote:
>
> > It seems a number of people on the list love coding websites by hand.
> > How about this one.
> >
> > Code the following...
> >
> > 1. 5 pages
> > 2. Drop down menus
> > 3. New content once a week
> > 4. Old content should be available
> > 5. Search box
> >
> > I bet money you get tired of this in a few hours.
> >
> > Now picture your self coding something like CNN.com by text editor.
> > Not going to happen.
> >
> > Move into the 21st century. It's wordpress or drupal as the back end.
> > Dreamweaver and its friends for design work. Which is CSS and PHP. I
> > know html5 is in there somewhere.
> >
> > Not saying CNN is using this but it wouldn't surprise me if they were.
> >
> > Just my little rant... I can't forgive a bad website. That reminds me.
> > I need to update mine... :)
> >
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